By DariaBlackwell - 24 Mar 2012
We have been using UGrib to download GRIB files via SAT phone while underway. To make it economically feasible and a small enough file to download relatively fast, we only get small sections in our vicinity. That compromises our ability to "see" what 's coming. Has anyone else come up with a viable solution that won 't break the bank on an ocean crossing?
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By RobbieW - 25 Mar 2012
Saildocs? Its not as easy to use as Ugrib but it is email based and geared toward minimal download size. Usability improves if you use the Airmail program which has a graphical interface to create the request email. As an aside I recently had to give up on Ugrib, having used it for 6/7 years, bcause it started to refuse my logins. It seems this is a known quirk to do with using multiple IP addresses over time. I now use zyGrib.
THe other thought would be to install an HF reciever, assuming you currently have no HF capability. With relatively simple PC based software you can then pick up weather fax services to get a big picture.
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By DariaBlackwell - 26 Mar 2012
Thanks for the view on UGrib, SailDocs and zyGrib. We 'll play with the others and see what we can work out.
We looked into HF actually as I do have a long range radio license and learned that the cost of the new equipment (which is heading for obsolescence) made the upfront costs significantly higher for HF than SAT phone. So we opted to keep our old SSB and add a SAT phone instead. That way we have SSB for one to many and SAT phone for one to one communications. That drove our choice of weather forecasting tools.
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By RobbieW - 26 Mar 2012
Hi Daria, stop me if I 'm doing the egg sucking thing...
Do you have a Pactor with your old SSB setup? If not there is some newer software around that makes use of sound cards. It wont run quite as fast as the Pactor protocols, so its debatable whether you 'd really want to do more than exchange short emails. Also it 's probably only supported on the ham stations so if you dont have a ham call sign it wont work for you. Keyword to search for is WINMOR.
The other thought is to look at subscribing to one of the limited bandwidth email services. Mailasail is one, Sailmail is another. Both provide an optimised connection service when using either SSB or SatPhone connections. They say that they effectively provide a duplex connection when connecting so minimising your connection time, important if your using a SatPhone service.
My experience of SatPhones, mostly on deliveries, was that getting a good connection with handheld equipment was tricky. I wasted probably half the minutes on poor connections.
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By DariaBlackwell - 22 Apr 2012
Robbie,
Have finally had a chance to look into your recommendations. WINMOR looks really interesting. We 're going to give it a shot. Thanks for the lead.
KC2KTD
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By Jonathan.Flack - 28 Dec 2022
We've been using LuckGrib now for a few years, and have found it to be an incredibly good companion to Expedition. The offshore download options reduce grib sizes by a fair margin. The developer is a fellow cruiser, and a long time software developer with a lot of experience with graphics development, so the visualizations are first rate.
The routing is also very solid, and I would rate it second only to Expedition.
They were also first to deliver true Grib2 functionality in a sailing app, as well as support for ensemble gribs.
It's only available on MacOS and iOS, but for those looking for great Grib and routing app, it's worth the time. Lots of youtube training vids from the developer as well.
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By Dick - 29 Dec 2022
+xWe've been using LuckGrib now for a few years, and have found it to be an incredibly good companion to Expedition. The offshore download options reduce grib sizes by a fair margin. The developer is a fellow cruiser, and a long time software developer with a lot of experience with graphics development, so the visualizations are first rate. The routing is also very solid, and I would rate it second only to Expedition. They were also first to deliver true Grib2 functionality in a sailing app, as well as support for ensemble gribs. It's only available on MacOS and iOS, but for those looking for great Grib and routing app, it's worth the time. Lots of youtube training vids from the developer as well.
Hi Daria and all,
I do not remember seeing your initial question, but it got me thinking… I suspect most of what I write below you know, but I also write for others who might come across this exchange.
In a contest between short term local grib forecasts (on an ocean passage) and long term, I would take long term any day. Short term most of what one needs to know can be had by a good barometer, watching the clouds and the sea state and recording their characteristics on a scheduled basis (on Alchemy, every 4 hours). The barometer tells you what is coming: a high or a low, and how much to worry: how fast the pressure is changing. The grib will fill out the details, but it is already too late to do much at sailboat speeds to position yourself better.
Long term gribs can really save your bacon. Daily or twice daily long term gribs, lined up next to each other (or drawn on paper wx charts) make it is possible to see trends. And they are far enough out to allow for a few degree course change to get a better slant on the wind or to move so that a low passes below or above you. For most sailboats, you will not be able to avoid bad weather, but you can position your boat to best take advantage of the weather to come. At worst, you can get psychologically ready, and the boat ready, for a blow and know how long you have to endure: well more than half the battle.
On Alchemy, I worked with twice daily long and short term wx forecasts which were free for me from ham radio downloads through Saildocs (marine SSB needed a very modest fee for similar wx data). I sometimes included wx faxes (surface analysis and forecasts and wind & wave), but found that most data could be obtained more easily through gribs.
I suspect that someone familiar with some of the new satellite equipment will weigh in with their capabilities. I believe Passage Weather has gotten good reviews and can be teamed with a device that can also do texts and the like.
Correct me if I am missing something, but my outside take on what I hear, is that the expense of a sat-phone with a data hookup and shore based service to facilitate delivery of emails, wx data and the like is for boats that want full comm capabilities. For simpler needs, wx data, texts, position reporting and emergency reporting, the new devices are far less expensive to buy and to install and to use, and check most of the boxes one needs on passage.
I have heard good things also about WINMOR, but when going to research, my eyes glazed over quickly.
My best, Dick Stevenson, KC2HKW, s/v Alchemy
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By Jonathan.Flack - 30 Dec 2022
+x+x[quote]It's only available on MacOS and iOS, but for those looking for great Grib and routing app, it's worth the time. Lots of youtube training vids from the developer as well.
I should add that LuckGrib has it's own server infrastructure in the cloud for the purpose of hosting their Offshore Weather services https://offshore.luckgrib.com/ .
I am using this now on a delivery from Antigua to Ft. Lauderdale and am using the offshore service to grab Grib data half way across the Atlantic, and the data footprint for the 3 weather models I typically use is not an issue at all.
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