By simoncurrin - 2 Oct 2016
I took the following posts from the OCC Facebook Page:
Toby Norman
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I 'm in need of advice please. We have the ability to run twin headsails having recently renewed our 140% jib. Essentially my concerns are putting excessive load on the forestay running the two jibs through the twin tracked proful roller reefer. I have a single pole to fly the windward sail but I 'm concerned with the loads with such big sails over a Pacific passage. Neil McCubbin Peter Whatley and Colin Speedie your advice much appreciated.
Russell Frazer We came across the Atlantic Westbound in that exact mode. It was a really great set up! Yes we rolled and snapped along and I worried about the head stay too. However years later removing the wire and taking the pro furl apart for routine re wire it was found to b just fine.
Toby Norman Really pleased with the pro furls. It 's just huge stress on the stay which concerns me. The profurls like many have the second tracks which I assume is for running twin sails.
Linda Lane Thornton We sailed across both the North Atlantic and the Pacific with two headsails on the twin-grooved forestay of our 20 year old Harken furling system, where both sails could be reefed simultaneously. When the wind shifted onto the quarter, the windwarrd sail could be mo ed to the leward side inside the leeward sail, and again both furled together. An effective rig and no issues with fatigue: that came much later.
Chris Mortimer We thought about this, but for the same reasons decided to goosewing across the Atlantic with prevented mainsail and poled out 140% genoa. Both could be furled from the cockpit, without removing pole and preventer. During the day we flew a gennaker but for safety took it in at night.
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Toby Norman
Toby Norman We did exactly that for the Atlantic and made a fast safe crossing although chaffe was really high with the rolling
Peter Whatley Hi Toby this is an interesting question and worthy of consideration and debate as it is sure to produce different views.
We carry a number of coloured sails but the problem in using them when deep sea is the rolling and subsequent moving of the centre of effort that causes more rolling. So they tend to stay in the bag and come out for local sailing. Our solution has been to use twin poles with a 110% genoa on the furler (Profurl) and staysail hanked onto a removable stay close to the forestay. The staysail is not big but is efficient. The genoa is rolled in a bit to keep it taut and this helps prevent chafe both of the sail and the sheet that we feed through the pole end. We have found it better to hand the main completely when the breeze is steady as this prevents the risk of damage and chafe.
Having a clean bottom helps keep the speed up.
We did contemplate having two sails on the furler using one halyard but somehow we couldn 't quite bring ourselves to do this although I know that plenty of people are happy with this arrangement.
When things get a bit exciting (vicious squall with extra rain) we furl the genoa leaving the pole in position (fore and aft guys essential) and if the staysail proves to be a bit much then we just dump the halyard and the sail collapses. We don 't dump the sheet.
A second furler close to the main forestay is quite popular and a system much favoured by designer and past Commodore, the late Mike Pocock.
I have heard many stories of pole tracks being ripped off because most boats have a single track on the centreline. I 'm sure you can envisage the geometry. We prefer twin tracks either side of the centreline. So, to conclude my preference would be for independently rigged sails each rigged firmly with its own pole. I think the Profurl is a strong unit as the section is big although I have always been a bit concerned about the sloppy fit plastic bearings but they seem to survive.
I have no doubt that others will have their own views and experiences that suit their boat.
Isn 't it a great facility within the OCC to be able to ask these questions and get responses from such a wide audience of sailors. It is one of the benefits that I am always extolling to prospective members.
Hope this helps. Fair winds
p.s. New boat coming on a treat! Will send photos.
Toby Norman Thanks again Peter
Alex Blackwell Hi Toby Norman
I would contend and went out from the premise that it is not the forstay we need worry about (bar the attachment points. Much rather it is the back stay that is to take double the load. So when we did fly two headsails, in our case a gennaker and a yankee, we made sure our running backstays were deployed. As mentioned above, we also always reduced sail overnight.
Toby Norman Great point Alex Blackwell, always shy away from rigging them for some reason. Tend to only use them if using the staysail in strong wind which to be fair is rare as the jib alone is normally more than enough drive
Emerald Sea Aroundoceans Toby Norman. You are significantly increasing load into the complete furling and pole system. Ultimately only the manufacturer understands its design limitations and you 'd be best to address this with them. We have done similar with our Facnor and they replied with a reduction in sail area in increasing wind conditions.
Colin Speedie Hi Toby, my concern would be slightly different. 140% is big and with a standard length pole I would partially roll the sail to avoid having a bag in the sail that would tend to generate rolling. And that 's something that cannot be done with twin sails...See more
Peter Morley Personally I 'd want a pole for both sides for sailing relatively direct downwind and/or light winds with rolling, unless you have experience with yours that suggests it 's not needed. My system is something similar to a twizzle rig. I am pretty cautious on deciding to reduce sail as both are hank on. Should also admit I haven 't actually set it in years, great system but has drawbacks for single-handed coastal sailing!
Toby Norman Fantastic advice chaps, thanks so much to you both. Very much respect and value both of your opinions. Colin agreed, 140 does carry a baggy sail even with our huge telescopic pole at full length, granted a reef helps. We have been offered a second huge pole for a very reasonable price but I 'm reluctant based purely on deck space for a second pole that might never get used. I had thought of a small pole for the stay sail instead which might be a compromise, maybe attached as a second pole below the main spinnaker pole. That said, our stay sail is small and requires running back stays.
It 's difficult trying to work out in advance a suitable rig for a ketch to cross the Pacific. I guess I need to play around for the first few days.
Thanks again for your thoughts. Hope your both well and Peter, would love some updated pictures please!
Colin Speedie Toby, a short whisker pole might be fine, or even rig a block on the main boom (with the main stowed) for the staysail. That way you can still reef the genoa at will easily and the staysail won 't collapse. 'Poor mans downwind rig ' it 's sometimes called but works fine - just the usual necessity to watch for chafe. And I 'd just stow the mizzen on a ketch.
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By bwallace - 3 Oct 2016
I have read all the above with interest. No one has mentioned the "Twistle rig". Two Genoas of similar size on the same furler, (twin track) with both poles going back to a free universal joint held in place by an uphaul and downhaul. This takes out most of the rolling that is transmitted to the hull through the mast. No problem with the foil taking two sails, but if one is not happy and is worried about strain on the furler track leave one turn of sail on the foil. This rig is great for a long downwind passage. We crossed the Atlantic all the way from Canaries to Martinique in 2007. When the wind increased we just furled the sail more, and the main sail stayed inside its cover on the boom! Wind vane steering made for an easy and fun voyage.
Brian Wallace B)
s/v Darramy
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By archive - 24 Oct 2016
I tried twin 140 's on the foil from Gibraltar to the Canaries. I have only one pole so used the boom! whilst not perfect it was a very easily handled rig for three on a 42ft boat.
I have now bought a light weight twist sail which will sit very comfortable 'inside ' the genoa when upwind.
Now sorting out a second pole and car!
Very good downwind rig.
Tony
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By Dick - 24 Oct 2016
Hi all,
I am curious, in reading the whole report, why all the worry about the rig integrity: either furling gear, forestay or backstay. It takes so little apparent wind speed to get a boat up to a decent boat speed downwind (compared to upwind loads and shock loading from bashing to wind) that I would not think worrying about damage to the rigs components would be a big deal. I find most boats allow themselves to become overpowered downwind and that decreasing the sail area significantly usually results in far easier motion, greatly reduced loads, less anxiety about broaching (and other downwind disasters) while only losing a few tenths of a knot boat speed.
What am I missing?
Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
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By David.Tyler - 25 Oct 2016
Sorry, I can 't resist any longer. I just have to share with you a paragraph from the latest Junk Rig Association magazine. I sold my boat Tystie (junk rigged ketch) to Martin, in New Zealand, as I was feeling that I had reached the end of my long distance cruising days. I 'd sailed her from NZ to Alaska and back again, singlehanded, as a finale, and that seemed like enough miles covered.
Anyway, Martin, who had jumped at the chance to buy Tystie, as he 'd been struggling with the pole on his Endurance 37 bermudan cutter and knew from bitter experience that sailing downwind with poled out headsails was for masochists, writes:
"A strong southerly was forecast so it was decided that Tystie should take advantage of it to return home. There was much reefing and unreefing with Tystie running wing and wong before the wind, with up to four panels reefed in the main and three in the mizzen. It was wet and windy, so much time was spent below eating, drinking coffee, and marvelling at how Tystie was sailing herself through some fairly rough conditions. In fact it was the fastest sail I have ever had in any boat. Just before my Navionics stopped recording the day 's track I saw that she had covered 72.5M in nine hours. An average of eight knots! The incredible safety of the rig was emphasised to me that day, in that, if I did leave it a little late to reduce sail it was easy to rectify from the companionway. Furthermore, when she did broach to when over pressed, there was no danger of gybing because the rig will sail so readily by the lee. There was no dangerous foredeck work with poles 6m long, and no heart stopping moments rigging preventers. I anchored off Norsand Boatyard in good spirits, feeling very pleased with my boat’s performance, after a ten hour day anchor to anchor. Had this been done with a pointy rig I would have arrived exhausted, after a tense nerve-racking day, tending to a labour-intensive and frightening rig. Sadly, most of my pointy rig friends find impossible to believe that I had enjoyed such a fantastic run in conditions that would most probably have kept them waiting at anchor for better weather."
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By Dick - 25 Oct 2016
Hi David and all,
While being clear that some boats have points of sail where they revel (and others points of sail where they wallow), I don’t believe any boat has a lock on its passengers having a good downwind passage. It is hard to think of any element of a boat that is not a compromise.
That said there are always improvements that can be made. For my part (on a cutter rigged boat with the mast almost amidships) downwind sailing got much safer and easier with the addition of a carbon fiber whisker pole (20 feet long, weighs 7 kg or so, used for 15+ years in winds to 50+kn) and, what I call, an offshore asymmetrical spinnaker. The asym, I have written about in the forum, not sure about the pole. The other element that has improved things is my leading headsail is a jib topsail and its higher clew facilitates downwind sailing impressively.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
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By David.Tyler - 25 Oct 2016
Dick, this topic started with a question about how best to rig headsails in such a way as to mitigate all the problems that arise when they are used for a purpose for which they are not optimal (chafe, fatigue, unfair loadings causing track damage etc) - long downwind passages . They are good for going to windward, but poor for sailing on other points. I would have to agree that any boat can have a good downwind passage across the Pacific - so long as that boat 's crew has a sufficient supply of strength, stamina, courage and ability to fix rig problems. Where those qualities are in short supply, there are better ways of sailing downwind than with poled out headsails. I just ease the sheet and relax!
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By Dick - 25 Oct 2016
Hi David,
Whereas you may be absolutely correct in contending that junk rigs get you downwind in the safest, fastest and easiest fashion, the vast majority of the sailing world, with good reason, will be sailing more conventional rigs. I would also like to challenge that, to have a good downwind passage, one needs, in your words, “a sufficient supply of strength, stamina, courage and ability to fix rig problems” with its implication that all those admirable attributes will be amply exercised in any downwind passage of length.
I have attempted to attach some writing of mine on taming the downwind pole, but have so far failed to negotiate the computer’s demands. I will persist.
My best, Dick
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By David.Tyler - 25 Oct 2016
OK, Dick, I 'll take the bait, though I probably shouldn 't.
How naive of me. I thought that if we could get downwind, and also across the wind, in the safest, fastest and easiest fashion, and as well as that, could get upwind in the safest and easiest fashion, but sometimes just a few per cent slower than a bermudan boat with a well shaped headsail - then we 'd cracked it. But apparently not. Unless we 've also spent time "taming the downwind pole", we 've not made a worthwhile passage.
Consider for a moment, Dick, the weaker crews: the singlehanders, the ageing couples, the families with young children to look after, when a line squall strikes. Their strength, stamina and courage have limits. Foredeck work in bad conditions probes those limits, quite unnecessarily in my view. Why should they have to do things the hard way, when they could do them the easy way?
Just what are these "good reasons" that people choose a "conventional rig" (whatever that is)? I can only think of bad ones, such as passively accepting what the commercial manufacturers choose to give them. Please enlighten me.
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By Dick - 26 Oct 2016
this is a test as I have been unable to post
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By Dick - 26 Oct 2016
still unable to post even 1 paragraph
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By Dick - 28 Oct 2016
test
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By simoncurrin - 1 Nov 2016
David,
I post this on behalf of Dick who, like several, is experiencing some Joomla inspired IT issues at the moment.
Simon,
Hi David,
My challenge from the onset was merely that I believed your description of the trials and tribulations attendant to a downwind passage on conventional rigs (sloops, cutters, ketches etc.) was, to my mind, exaggerated, in your effort to extol a rig with which you have clearly much experience and much affection. I believe that downwind passages in these conventional vessels can be accomplished without damage to the vessel (you listed chafe, pole track, etc.) and excessive crew fatigue. I would hope that any writing I do would facilitate that end.
As to the good reasons, I think it best to say that the vast majority of recreational sailing vessels out there are the conventional ones I just listed and that most owners feel they had good reasons for their choices. I write this with the knowledge that this does not “prove” their reasons were good, but, for you to dismiss the choices of such a vast majority of recreational boat owners as a “passive acceptance” of “commercial manufacturers” seems to me another unwise exaggeration.
The above exaggerations I refer to are my opinion and based on my experiences. I would not necessarily respond at all, but as they were publicly expressed and portrayed a dismal conclusion of downwind sailing on conventional sailing vessels, I worried the comments would discourage others from honing their skills in this important area or see miserable trips as inevitable. I in no way wished to do a “compare and contrast” for which I am ill equipped, but to encourage those doing downwind passages to find solutions to the challenges presented by their particular vessel and their particular crew on their chosen vessel.
My best, Dick
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By Dick - 7 Nov 2016
Hi all,
Of possible interest to those following this stream, I just posted a new topic "Taming the downwind whisker pole".
Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
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By Wild Bird - 26 Dec 2016
We crossed the Atlantic a number of years a go and used a twistle rig with two poles. We had our large genoa on the furler and we set a second smaller genoa flying free although we did have a second slot in the furler.
If the wind increased we could furl the large genoa to give a more balanced sail plan. If the wind increased more we could keep furling the genoa or drop the free flying second smaller genoa. The slot between the two genoas let the bigger gusts through. Worked very well
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By Dick - 26 Dec 2016
Hi WB,
I keep hearing and reading about the twizzle/twistle rig and were I to be rounding the world in the conventional manner (or contemplating any significant trade wind sailing), I would assuredly check it out. Sounds like the rig checks a lot of boxes. Thanks for your report.
Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
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By Ginger - 2 Feb 2017
Hi David,
I thought you might be interested:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/world/asia/china-junk-builders-hong-kong.html?ref=world&_r=0
Such a shame when an art form dies away,
Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
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By simoncurrin - 3 Feb 2017
Posted on behalf of David (s/v Serendipity)
A twin headsail rig was the initial downwind rig on our circumnavigation. We sailed about 10,000 miles with it but its disadvantages eventually proved its downfall. Let me explain.
If you are going to sail the classic milk run route across the Atlantic, the twin headsail set up works well because once you turn west the wind is generally pretty much dead aft. It can be a bit of a palaver to set up even on the dockside – and even with a dedicated halyard for the second headsail run from the foredeck through a block attached at the head of the genoa. You rig it with one headsail poled out to windward with the spi pole braced for and aft, the other sails sheet led through a block on the end of the boom (braced with a preventer). (I have no experience of the Twistle Rig).
This is a very versatile rig, easy to adjust when a squall approaches, and can easily be rolled away out of harm’s way. In my view it is pretty bombproof. It is true that, if the sails are both in the foil’s luff groove(s) there is a small risk that the foil can split in a squall but you can easily guard against that by keeping a roll in the furler.
This rig works well if the true wind is above say 15kts (i.e. trade wind conditions) and the rig can be carried safely day and night. If the wind does go light, the rig can easily be rolled away and the pole is already rigged and braced for a cruising chute or similar.
I used to be a big fan of this set up but over time its shortcomings began to take their toll:
• It can be very rolly, there being no dampening from the main.
• You can only use it with the apparent wind circa +/-140 degrees – less if there is any appreciable rolling. (If you have twin poles when maybe +/-130 is possible). (Note that this is a real drawback once you are through Panama because in our experience the wind was pretty much on the quarter 120/130 degrees apparent for most of the rest of the circumnavigation.)
However, probably its biggest drawback on a long passage is that, when the wind goes ahead you find the windward sail backs and needs to be taken over to leeward. If you set lazy sheets that is easy enough. However, you can’t sail like that indefinitely; there is small but appreciable movement between the two sails which will chafe through the stitching and shorten the life of both sails. So if you are going to sail like that for any length of time (my guide was 12 hours) then one or other head sail has to come down. That is not too hard to do, but when the wind goes aft again and you want to re- erect the twin headsails you are in for much fun and games in a rolling and pitching sea. It is very difficult to do on my boat, even in a calm sea – and pretty nigh impossible short-handed. So once it was down – it stayed down till the end of the passage – perhaps several days later leaving you without a downwind rig for the rest of the passage, other than light winds.
We found a much more versatile set up was to brace the mainsail to leeward with the preventer, lead the genoa sheet through the spi-pole braced to windward – a classic poled out genoa. However, if you are lucky enough have a cutter rig, then then fly the staysail on the leeward side at the same time, but strapped in quite tight. The staysail funnels the wind onto the genoa then through the gap between them and provides substantial resistance against rolling, making the journey much more comfortable.
We used this rig for the remaining 35,000 miles – often in preference to a cruising chute, simply because it requires little attention. You can carry this rig +/- 120 degrees because you can trim the head sail independently. The main advantage is that if the wind goes ahead you can take the headsail to the other side easily to reach for a while then when it goes aft again it is simple to re-erect at sea.
You can’t sail as deep with this rig as you can with the twin headsails, so you will need to gybe down wind to maintain boat speed. However, because there is less roll and less slack in the sails, it is a quicker rig than twin headsails by some margin. It is hard to provide hard evidence to support that statement, other than I believe it and that our average days’ run had increased by more than 15% by the end of our circumnavigation compared with the first 10,000 miles.
With the twin headsails, we were quick to reach for the cruising chute to keep us going when the wind dropped. With this poled out headsail with staysail, the speed penalty was not too hard to bear; after a while, unless the wind got really light, we wouldn’t bother with the cruising chute. Slept much better
Chafe
Flying a downwind rig for any length of time does introduce chafe problems particularly at the spi-pole end – we had the rig collapse on to the guardrail more than once eventually necessitating a replacement spi-pole. By the end of the circumnavigation, we were rigging the end of the pole with a small rope grommet through the fixed eye. To that we attached a block and ran the sheet through that to avoid friction. The snap shackles on the end of the guys and uphaul will eventually to wear a groove in the aluminium pole end so our fore and aft guys/downhauls were knotted onto the grommet using a round turn then a bowline; the uphaul knotted similarly to the top of the pole. This eliminated friction and thus chafe – at the spi pole end at least!
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By Dick - 4 Feb 2017
Hi David,
A really nice contribution and especially nice as it is a field report with clearly a lot of miles under your keel. You depict the advantages well.
You might be interested in my “Taming the Downwind Whisker Pole” and my “Offshore Asym” articles on the OCC site as I think you will find our thinking overlaps considerably.
A couple of thoughts:
In strapping in the staysail is good advice, but those with radar on the front of their mast should be aware they will likely need to roller reef a couple of turns or their leach may rub on the radome.
In strapping the main down, a bulletproof preventer set up is absolutely essential for safety of crew: for the best sail shape and for protection of the sail from chafe, a very robust boom vang/kicker is also essential. Both are likely to get well tested.
A spin pole is not a good pole for most cruising boats, especially if a crew of two/husband/wife: much too heavy and too short. Most of us never fly a symmetrical spinnaker. Much better to get a pole sized to the largest headsail: you will expose more sail area and it is kinder to the sail. Better yet, get a carbon fibre pole and feel much safer on the foredeck and (my opinion) stay away from adjustable poles. (see above referenced article)
With regards to chafe, I suspect some of that was generated by the spin pole being too short and allowing movement. A properly sized whisker pole allows the whole set up to be more firmly set up and mitigates some of the chafe.
Thanks again for your report,
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
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By simoncurrin - 5 Feb 2017
Reply from David Caukill and posted on his behalf
Serendipity’s genoa is 140%. The pole is just less than 21 feet long; it is made from carbon fibre and protrudes about 3 feet beyond the forestay. With some planning, two fit people can rig it without too much trouble; clearly three people is easier. There is no way I want to muck about, short-handed on a bouncy foredeck, with a longer pole - - whether on a mast slide or not. And we do fly the asymmetric from the pole from time to time particularly with the wind dead aft in light airs.
Chafe arises from a changing load on the rig. This can arise as flogging when the rig is too slack and the sail collapses and refills, and is characterised by a noise, a ‘crack’, as the sail refills, or from cycling or pumping - the sail remains filled, but changes of pressure from rolling, coming up out of a trough or a simple gust, increase the pressure on the sails and the tension on the rig. Both of these are a source of chafe.
We brace the pole and boom as tight as possible, all of the lines are led to dedicated winches and these can be cranked as tight as reason permits (as can the preventer against an hydraulic vang). I omitted to mention that when we set the rig, we spend quite some time with fine adjustments to minimise flogging, else the sail flogs noisily and in the long run expensively. Our objective is to set the sail so it remains filled as the boat rolls. In a stiff breeze that is easy but in lighter airs we need to take a roll or so in the genoa to flatten it and adjust the pole height and position in order remove the belly and to try to get the ‘shoulder’ and the foot as tight as possible.
The usual culprits as far as chafe is concerned are not the sheets (these are easily protected). It is the pole up haul and the asymmetric halyard which are prone to failure on the mast sheeve and when it fails then either the pole crashes onto the guard rail or you sail over your kite.
On each of the lines on the pole, there is probably 65 -75 feet from winch to shackle and there is inevitably some give along their length. It takes the slightest stretch to cause chafe when there is something to chafe against. Even our spectra tack line, for the asymmetric, pumps back and forth more than an inch through the block with each roll/pitch of the boat. (To mitigate this, we relieve it with a rolling hitch, shortening it considerably).
Even when flogging is minimised, it is hard to stop the sails pumping and the load cycling as the boat rises from a roll or trough. The resulting stress loading is either dissipated as noise or absorbed by give in the sails and rigging – as stretch of the running rigging, cycling of standing rigging, shear in the fabric of the sails and stitching …… or a combination of them. Once we eliminate one risk of wear, we transfer the risk somewhere else. Then, rather than these forces being absorbed by things that are relatively inexpensive to replace, one is now looking at replacing the standing rigging before the mast falls down. Sailing is full of compromises; If I’ve got to replace something, I’d rather it was running rigging.
So we stay alert for it, regularly adjusting the running rigging positions very slightly to change the wear point, ideally every 12 hours (it is logged) … but I have little hope of eliminating it.
I could go on …….
Looking back through this thread I can see that I have little chance of having the last word ….. in it but I do hope I have the self-restraint to make this my final word.
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By simoncurrin - 5 Feb 2017
reply posted on behalf of Dick Stevenson
Hi David,
No, please do not make this your last word: you have a lot of good things to say. You have worked hard and anyone wishing to go downwind will benefit from your reports.
And I would very much hope to shift from a head-set of “last word” to one where we have exhausted what I hope to be experienced as suggestions that may prove helpful, probably not so much for you with your experience, but for others who might read this stream. Just as anyone reading your reports will benefit a great deal.
I suspect that I have a somewhat smaller boat as my 110% jib topsail is taut to the end of my carbon fibre 19 foot pole and I agree that getting things firmed up pays dividends at mitigating chafe.
Your analysis of the chafe occurring on downwind passages is right on. Chafe happens, but every now and again there is a way to prevent it: for years, I used a topping lift line (pole up haul) that came out of the mast and suffered chafe and occasional ruined halyard just as you reported. I then switched to use the spinnaker halyard as my topping lift. This halyard also emerges from the mast, but, on my boat, then goes through a block that articulates in all directions to give a fair lead and no chafe.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
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By chrisb - 8 Apr 2017
I simply sail to a reach . Boat goes faster and is stable .
If I need a spinnaker I fly it minus pole . Helm then needs little adjustment . Read Eric Hiscock ^ Beyond the Western Horizon ^ if you dont believe me . I reef early and shake them out asap .
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By Dick - 8 Apr 2017
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your comments. Could you elaborate a bit?
When you say, “sail to a reach”, do you mean what is commonly called, gybing downwind? Destination dead-down-wind (DDW) and one gets there on broad reaches gybing when necessary.
Is the spinnaker referred to a symmetrical or asym? Without a pole are you sailing the spin like a big genny, tack at bow and sheeted well aft?
Thanks, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy
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By macb - 28 Aug 2017
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