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Simon Currin - 21 Nov 2024

But that’s exactly what PredictWind does. It’s a multiday routing tool comparing projections basted on all the GRIB models. Windy also has a similar routing tool.Simon

But on an iphone? How does that work? I tried to use the PC version of Windy to do routing on my last outing in the Med this spring. I was disgusted to find that you needed to pay for it.

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Simon Currin - 21 Nov 2024

But that’s exactly what PredictWind does. It’s a multiday routing tool comparing projections basted on all the GRIB models. Windy also has a similar routing tool.Simon

When I tried to use Windy for route planning the way I understood it worked is that you had to import a route into Windy in some neutral format (that was the bit it wouldn't let me do for free I think), it would then do the routing and you had to export the route in neutral format and read it back into your chart plotter. For me with my antiquated system it would have involved many intermediate steps as well.
Have you used this in anger?

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Sandy.Herbert - 19 Nov 2024

I want to replace my existing navigation hardware and I am looking for advice on the state of the art.
My present system is 12 years old. It consists of two Garmin GPSmap 4008s, one at the chart table and one on the binnacle. They are networked and both can be used to display maps, follow routes, display AIS targets, control and display the radar and all the other stuff they do like display tides, show wind graphs etc. etc.
I use a PC and OpenCPN or Homeport to do routing and transfer the routes using SD cards ( no WiFi on these old systems). Up till now I have used a sat phone to connect to the Internet and to download grib files using Sailmail or similar. I use the PC and OpenCPN to display the grib files. I have a Vesper AIS which is also my WiFi hub.
This system does everything I want and has served me well.
However the GPSmaps are getting old and are classed as legacy devices by Garmin. I managed to update the OS recently which has prolonged their lives but I can see the end coming. The plotters don't support the most recent Garmin maps and can't read any other format. Also Garmin maps are fantastically expensive.
I am a bit out of the cruising network and I would like to know what people are installing now for long distance offshore cruising. Ideally I would like a system not based on a dedicated plotter. However, I do want a reliable system and if this means a brand plotter so be it. I would also like to know what people are installing for satellite communications and weather. Answers from real experience please rather than speculation.

Hi Sandy, my system is about 8 years old but I'm very happy with it so let me tell you what I have.  Like Simon, I'm doing all my navigating and weather routing on a PC.  There's just no comparison between using a mouse and using your fingers on a touch screen.  The PC runs the successor program to MaxSea which was bought by Furuno.  Furuno calls it TZ Professional.  It interfaces with my Furuno TZ Touch plotter in the cockpit so that I can send all the routes (and changes to them as I go) to the plotter at the press of a button.  It also shares the same C Map charts as the plotter - so I don't have to pay for one more set of charts. AIS comes into the plotter and the laptop from a Furuno FA75 (not sure - I just replaced it because the old on malfunctioned).  I can also look at the radar picture on the laptop - which works great in tense situations where someone in the cockpit is watching the plotter and another person is paying careful attention to radar targets down below at the chart table.  

I also have a set of H5000 B&G instruments which cover the basics such as wind, speed, depth, etc and are fully interfaced with the Furuno plotter/laptop combo via the NMEA 2000 backbone.   I also have an Echopilot forward looking sonar which has been very helpful in uncharted areas.

In terms of weather routing, I use the Expedition program written by Nick White who is a famous navigator from NZ who wrote his own program for the first Whitbread race a gazillion years ago.  The program is difficult to learn and probably overkill for the normal cruiser but I learned to love it many years ago when I was into ocean racing.  All ocean racers either use Expedition or if they speak French, Adrena.  One key thing it does it enables you to perfect your polars which you use for doing the routing.  I've tried the Predict Wind routing a few years ago  but I didn't think it was comparable.  I'm aware that they are logging data now to create polars but I'm not sure how good that is.  But from all I'm hearing, Predict Wind is doing good work for many cruisers so it's definitely an option you should consider.  

I hope that helps in your decision!  

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Joerg.Esdorn - 21 Nov 2024

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Sandy.Herbert - 19 Nov 2024

I want to replace my existing navigation hardware and I am looking for advice on the state of the art.
My present system is 12 years old. It consists of two Garmin GPSmap 4008s, one at the chart table and one on the binnacle. They are networked and both can be used to display maps, follow routes, display AIS targets, control and display the radar and all the other stuff they do like display tides, show wind graphs etc. etc.
I use a PC and OpenCPN or Homeport to do routing and transfer the routes using SD cards ( no WiFi on these old systems). Up till now I have used a sat phone to connect to the Internet and to download grib files using Sailmail or similar. I use the PC and OpenCPN to display the grib files. I have a Vesper AIS which is also my WiFi hub.
This system does everything I want and has served me well.
However the GPSmaps are getting old and are classed as legacy devices by Garmin. I managed to update the OS recently which has prolonged their lives but I can see the end coming. The plotters don't support the most recent Garmin maps and can't read any other format. Also Garmin maps are fantastically expensive.
I am a bit out of the cruising network and I would like to know what people are installing now for long distance offshore cruising. Ideally I would like a system not based on a dedicated plotter. However, I do want a reliable system and if this means a brand plotter so be it. I would also like to know what people are installing for satellite communications and weather. Answers from real experience please rather than speculation.

Hi Sandy, my system is about 8 years old but I'm very happy with it so let me tell you what I have.  Like Simon, I'm doing all my navigating and weather routing on a PC.  There's just no comparison between using a mouse and using your fingers on a touch screen.  The PC runs the successor program to MaxSea which was bought by Furuno.  Furuno calls it TZ Professional.  It interfaces with my Furuno TZ Touch plotter in the cockpit so that I can send all the routes (and changes to them as I go) to the plotter at the press of a button.  It also shares the same C Map charts as the plotter - so I don't have to pay for one more set of charts. AIS comes into the plotter and the laptop from a Furuno FA75 (not sure - I just replaced it because the old on malfunctioned).  I can also look at the radar picture on the laptop - which works great in tense situations where someone in the cockpit is watching the plotter and another person is paying careful attention to radar targets down below at the chart table.  

I also have a set of H5000 B&G instruments which cover the basics such as wind, speed, depth, etc and are fully interfaced with the Furuno plotter/laptop combo via the NMEA 2000 backbone.   I also have an Echopilot forward looking sonar which has been very helpful in uncharted areas.

In terms of weather routing, I use the Expedition program written by Nick White who is a famous navigator from NZ who wrote his own program for the first Whitbread race a gazillion years ago.  The program is difficult to learn and probably overkill for the normal cruiser but I learned to love it many years ago when I was into ocean racing.  All ocean racers either use Expedition or if they speak French, Adrena.  One key thing it does it enables you to perfect your polars which you use for doing the routing.  I've tried the Predict Wind routing a few years ago  but I didn't think it was comparable.  I'm aware that they are logging data now to create polars but I'm not sure how good that is.  But from all I'm hearing, Predict Wind is doing good work for many cruisers so it's definitely an option you should consider.  

I hope that helps in your decision!  

Oh one more thing.  I just bought a cheap Microsoft Surface tablet on which I run Open PCN.  The plan is to keep that at the helm with KAP charts and satellite pictures running as I'm approaching atolls in the Pacific.  I've also used an ipad with the fabulous Antares charts in the Hebrides.   I have a Bluetooth GPS that fees those separate devices.  

Sandy,
No you do not import the Route into Windy. Use the Windy Hub App and it functions more like PredictWind.

I have just recorded a webinar with PredictWind and will post the recording here tomorrow. It was more of a Q&A webinar.
Simon

Joerg,
For coral heads I highly recommend streaming the satellite layer of Aquamaps as there appears to be global coverage and you have all the functionality of a chart plotter software rather than google earth. A bit more heresy but I suspect once you have used Aquamaps / Starlink on your iPad you won’t bother with .KAP files .
Simon

Interesting, Simon. I‘ve not used Aqua Maps. Navionics has satellite overlays as well - have you tried that? In Navionics its not clear where the satellite images come from - does Aqua Maps show that?

The Navionics satellite coverage is incomplete as you will find when you venture into the eastern part of Raroia’s lagoon (Eastern Tuamotu). That’s where we switched from Navionics to Aquamap.

Not too sure where Aquamaps source their imagery but they must be composite images as cloudless - unlike Google Earth. We first used KAP files in East Greenland and had to wade back through the historical image slider on google earth to find cloudless images which was quite laborious .

Simon

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Simon Currin - 22 Nov 2024

The Navionics satellite coverage is incomplete as you will find when you venture into the eastern part of Raroia’s lagoon (Eastern Tuamotu). That’s where we switched from Navionics to Aquamap. Not too sure where Aquamaps source their imagery but they must be composite images as cloudless - unlike Google Earth. We first used KAP files in East Greenland and had to wade back through the historical image slider on google earth to find cloudless images which was quite laborious . Simon

Thank you, Simon.   

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Joerg.Esdorn - 21 Nov 2024

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Sandy.Herbert - 19 Nov 2024

I want to replace my existing navigation hardware and I am looking for advice on the state of the art.
My present system is 12 years old. It consists of two Garmin GPSmap 4008s, one at the chart table and one on the binnacle. They are networked and both can be used to display maps, follow routes, display AIS targets, control and display the radar and all the other stuff they do like display tides, show wind graphs etc. etc.
I use a PC and OpenCPN or Homeport to do routing and transfer the routes using SD cards ( no WiFi on these old systems). Up till now I have used a sat phone to connect to the Internet and to download grib files using Sailmail or similar. I use the PC and OpenCPN to display the grib files. I have a Vesper AIS which is also my WiFi hub.
This system does everything I want and has served me well.
However the GPSmaps are getting old and are classed as legacy devices by Garmin. I managed to update the OS recently which has prolonged their lives but I can see the end coming. The plotters don't support the most recent Garmin maps and can't read any other format. Also Garmin maps are fantastically expensive.
I am a bit out of the cruising network and I would like to know what people are installing now for long distance offshore cruising. Ideally I would like a system not based on a dedicated plotter. However, I do want a reliable system and if this means a brand plotter so be it. I would also like to know what people are installing for satellite communications and weather. Answers from real experience please rather than speculation.

Hi Sandy, my system is about 8 years old but I'm very happy with it so let me tell you what I have.  Like Simon, I'm doing all my navigating and weather routing on a PC.  There's just no comparison between using a mouse and using your fingers on a touch screen.  The PC runs the successor program to MaxSea which was bought by Furuno.  Furuno calls it TZ Professional.  It interfaces with my Furuno TZ Touch plotter in the cockpit so that I can send all the routes (and changes to them as I go) to the plotter at the press of a button.  It also shares the same C Map charts as the plotter - so I don't have to pay for one more set of charts. AIS comes into the plotter and the laptop from a Furuno FA75 (not sure - I just replaced it because the old on malfunctioned).  I can also look at the radar picture on the laptop - which works great in tense situations where someone in the cockpit is watching the plotter and another person is paying careful attention to radar targets down below at the chart table.  

I also have a set of H5000 B&G instruments which cover the basics such as wind, speed, depth, etc and are fully interfaced with the Furuno plotter/laptop combo via the NMEA 2000 backbone.   I also have an Echopilot forward looking sonar which has been very helpful in uncharted areas.

In terms of weather routing, I use the Expedition program written by Nick White who is a famous navigator from NZ who wrote his own program for the first Whitbread race a gazillion years ago.  The program is difficult to learn and probably overkill for the normal cruiser but I learned to love it many years ago when I was into ocean racing.  All ocean racers either use Expedition or if they speak French, Adrena.  One key thing it does it enables you to perfect your polars which you use for doing the routing.  I've tried the Predict Wind routing a few years ago  but I didn't think it was comparable.  I'm aware that they are logging data now to create polars but I'm not sure how good that is.  But from all I'm hearing, Predict Wind is doing good work for many cruisers so it's definitely an option you should consider.  

I hope that helps in your decision!  

Thanks for this reply.That sounds like the kind of thing I am looking for. Can you use TX professional as your nav station at the chart table?
If it's not a rude or delicate question where did you buy TX professional and your charts?