Best Practices - Jordan Series Drogue


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I have now collated all the feedback and passed it on to Martin Thomas who is editing the new edition of "Heavy Weather Sailing".
It was great to hear first hand accounts from Randall Reeves, Jeanne Socrates, Tony Gooch, Tim Good and Susanne Huber-Curphey among many others. The new edition of HWS will appear in due course but should anyone be considering venturing into the more extreme conditions and want to know more about the JSD I have attached a copy of my summary below.
I would also like to hear of some of the more technical aspects from anyone that has used the JSD .
Boat length and weight
number and type of cones
approximate distance from the stern to the first cones
Tail weight used
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Steve Brown - 4 Mar 2021
I have now collated all the feedback and passed it on to Martin Thomas who is editing the new edition of "Heavy Weather Sailing".
It was great to hear first hand accounts from Randall Reeves, Jeanne Socrates, Tony Gooch, Tim Good and Susanne Huber-Curphey among many others. The new edition of HWS will appear in due course but should anyone be considering venturing into the more extreme conditions and want to know more about the JSD I have attached a copy of my summary below.
I would also like to hear of some of the more technical aspects from anyone that has used the JSD .
Boat length and weight
number and type of cones
approximate distance from the stern to the first cones
Tail weight used


Steve, thank - its a great summary and when I need a JSD it will be good to be able to rely on the distilled wisdom of such an experienced group of sailors. I have a question about single handed retrieval. One of issues seems to be that cones and self tailing winches don't get on too well, yet tailing by hand is tedious and slow on your own. What about having a long retrieval line that goes forward around a snatch block on the toe rail then back to the main sheet winch? That way you can winch in almost one boat's length using the self tailing, then repeat the process. I guess tying off the drouge still in the water and then reattaching the retrieval rope takes a bit of time, but it feels like it is a controlled process that exploits the full power of a big self tailing sheet winch. Going one step further, I guess you could use the anchor winch, but that would need two snatch block to get the lead to the winch correct.

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Steve Brown - 4 Mar 2021
I have now collated all the feedback and passed it on to Martin Thomas who is editing the new edition of "Heavy Weather Sailing".
It was great to hear first hand accounts from Randall Reeves, Jeanne Socrates, Tony Gooch, Tim Good and Susanne Huber-Curphey among many others. The new edition of HWS will appear in due course but should anyone be considering venturing into the more extreme conditions and want to know more about the JSD I have attached a copy of my summary below.
I would also like to hear of some of the more technical aspects from anyone that has used the JSD .
Boat length and weight
number and type of cones
approximate distance from the stern to the first cones
Tail weight used


Steve, thank - its a great summary and when I need a JSD it will be good to be able to rely on the distilled wisdom of such an experienced group of sailors. I have a question about single handed retrieval. One of issues seems to be that cones and self tailing winches don't get on too well, yet tailing by hand is tedious and slow on your own. What about having a long retrieval line that goes forward around a snatch block on the toe rail then back to the main sheet winch? That way you can winch in almost one boat's length using the self tailing, then repeat the process. I guess tying off the drouge still in the water and then reattaching the retrieval rope takes a bit of time, but it feels like it is a controlled process that exploits the full power of a big self tailing sheet winch. Going one step further, I guess you could use the anchor winch, but that would need two snatch block to get the lead to the winch correct.



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Dick - 3 Apr 2021
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Steve Brown - 4 Mar 2021
I have now collated all the feedback and passed it on to Martin Thomas who is editing the new edition of "Heavy Weather Sailing".
It was great to hear first hand accounts from Randall Reeves, Jeanne Socrates, Tony Gooch, Tim Good and Susanne Huber-Curphey among many others. The new edition of HWS will appear in due course but should anyone be considering venturing into the more extreme conditions and want to know more about the JSD I have attached a copy of my summary below.
I would also like to hear of some of the more technical aspects from anyone that has used the JSD .
Boat length and weight
number and type of cones
approximate distance from the stern to the first cones
Tail weight used


Steve, thank - its a great summary and when I need a JSD it will be good to be able to rely on the distilled wisdom of such an experienced group of sailors. I have a question about single handed retrieval. One of issues seems to be that cones and self tailing winches don't get on too well, yet tailing by hand is tedious and slow on your own. What about having a long retrieval line that goes forward around a snatch block on the toe rail then back to the main sheet winch? That way you can winch in almost one boat's length using the self tailing, then repeat the process. I guess tying off the drouge still in the water and then reattaching the retrieval rope takes a bit of time, but it feels like it is a controlled process that exploits the full power of a big self tailing sheet winch. Going one step further, I guess you could use the anchor winch, but that would need two snatch block to get the lead to the winch correct.



Hi Palmer,
I believe that is the preferred method for retrieving a JSD whether single-handed or crewed. It was the what I would have used if I had deployed mine.
In the realm of the usefulness of having knowledge of “old” practices, this method is the same as the retrieval of the huge anchor rodes on square rigged ships where the cable is far too large to go around a capstan: so, messenger lines (forget their technical name) are used with rolling hitches to draw the cable in.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

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Dick - 3 Apr 2021
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Steve Brown - 4 Mar 2021
I have now collated all the feedback and passed it on to Martin Thomas who is editing the new edition of "Heavy Weather Sailing".
It was great to hear first hand accounts from Randall Reeves, Jeanne Socrates, Tony Gooch, Tim Good and Susanne Huber-Curphey among many others. The new edition of HWS will appear in due course but should anyone be considering venturing into the more extreme conditions and want to know more about the JSD I have attached a copy of my summary below.
I would also like to hear of some of the more technical aspects from anyone that has used the JSD .
Boat length and weight
number and type of cones
approximate distance from the stern to the first cones
Tail weight used


Steve, thank - its a great summary and when I need a JSD it will be good to be able to rely on the distilled wisdom of such an experienced group of sailors. I have a question about single handed retrieval. One of issues seems to be that cones and self tailing winches don't get on too well, yet tailing by hand is tedious and slow on your own. What about having a long retrieval line that goes forward around a snatch block on the toe rail then back to the main sheet winch? That way you can winch in almost one boat's length using the self tailing, then repeat the process. I guess tying off the drouge still in the water and then reattaching the retrieval rope takes a bit of time, but it feels like it is a controlled process that exploits the full power of a big self tailing sheet winch. Going one step further, I guess you could use the anchor winch, but that would need two snatch block to get the lead to the winch correct.



Hi Palmer,
I believe that is the preferred method for retrieving a JSD whether single-handed or crewed. It was the what I would have used if I had deployed mine.
In the realm of the usefulness of having knowledge of “old” practices, this method is the same as the retrieval of the huge anchor rodes on square rigged ships where the cable is far too large to go around a capstan: so, messenger lines (forget their technical name) are used with rolling hitches to draw the cable in.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

Thanks - maybe I have read it somewhere else - but either way it is good to know that people use that method.
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Palmer - 3 Apr 2021
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Dick - 3 Apr 2021
Palmer - 3 Apr 2021
Steve Brown - 4 Mar 2021
I have now collated all the feedback and passed it on to Martin Thomas who is editing the new edition of "Heavy Weather Sailing".
It was great to hear first hand accounts from Randall Reeves, Jeanne Socrates, Tony Gooch, Tim Good and Susanne Huber-Curphey among many others. The new edition of HWS will appear in due course but should anyone be considering venturing into the more extreme conditions and want to know more about the JSD I have attached a copy of my summary below.
I would also like to hear of some of the more technical aspects from anyone that has used the JSD .
Boat length and weight
number and type of cones
approximate distance from the stern to the first cones
Tail weight used


Steve, thank - its a great summary and when I need a JSD it will be good to be able to rely on the distilled wisdom of such an experienced group of sailors. I have a question about single handed retrieval. One of issues seems to be that cones and self tailing winches don't get on too well, yet tailing by hand is tedious and slow on your own. What about having a long retrieval line that goes forward around a snatch block on the toe rail then back to the main sheet winch? That way you can winch in almost one boat's length using the self tailing, then repeat the process. I guess tying off the drouge still in the water and then reattaching the retrieval rope takes a bit of time, but it feels like it is a controlled process that exploits the full power of a big self tailing sheet winch. Going one step further, I guess you could use the anchor winch, but that would need two snatch block to get the lead to the winch correct.



Hi Palmer,
I believe that is the preferred method for retrieving a JSD whether single-handed or crewed. It was the what I would have used if I had deployed mine.
In the realm of the usefulness of having knowledge of “old” practices, this method is the same as the retrieval of the huge anchor rodes on square rigged ships where the cable is far too large to go around a capstan: so, messenger lines (forget their technical name) are used with rolling hitches to draw the cable in.
My best, Dick Stevenson, s/v Alchemy

Thanks - maybe I have read it somewhere else - but either way it is good to know that people use that method.

Perhaps Steve can confirm my sense of things. Dic
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